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for thanksgiving, so tonight we take a special look at an important issue for all americans: the fiscal cliff. >> tom: i'm tom hudson. massive spending cuts and tax hikes are set to hit the u.s. economy on january first. by most estimates if we go over the cliff, the u.s. onomy will plunge into recession. >> susie: we look at the impact of the coming cliff and whether congress and the white house can strike a deal. >> tom: that and more tonight on n.b.r.! it was the chairman of the federal reserve ben bernanke who first called it a fiscal cliff. he described the coming automatic cuts in government spending and increases in taxes as, quote, "a massive fiscal cliff," end quote. here's what he was describing: on january 1, 2013, tax breaks worth $416 billion will expire. spending on things like defense, medicare payments to doctors will be slashed by $65 billion. add it all up and you are talking about cutting roughly half a trillion dollars from the federal budget. the congressional budget office and others warn going over the cliff will send the economy into a recession in the first half of ne
on unions trying to block spending cuts and the fiscal cliff deal while making sure the rich pay more. jeff flock with union back protests at wal-mart stores and diana on the dirty little secret those unions are not changing wal-mart workers. first to rich and some in washington, d.c.. how unions trying to persuade democrats to avoid spending cuts? >> with a significant lobbying effort on capitol hill and a new advertising campaign targeted at democratic and republican lawmakers in pennsylvania, virginia and missouri. the basic message is don't touch entitlements in the fiscal cliff tops we're having on capitol hill. honesty and one of the union says elected officials from both parties need to listen to the will of the voters and focus on rebuilding the middle class and strengthening our economy by investing in jobs, not cuts. as for the effectiveness of this campaign one conservative says this type of pressure from unions is nothing new. >> the fact that they are publicly saying what they have been privately saying helps the american people understand where obama's in trend and comes from
investors are trying to hang onto when there's not much to look at. cheryl: we have more fiscal cliff discussions picking the next week. we really have not a lot of days to get that fiscal cliff situation figured out. how nervous are you? taking it to the final trading day of the year which is entirely possible? we are talking about washington. >> i don't think anybody will blink yet in washington. another month left will stretch us out as long as possible. when we come here is a day-by-day market. one day everyone is buying into amanda knox data could be a headline out of washington where everyone is trying to get out real quick. too many uncertainties heading into the year or the first quarter next year so investors will look at this as a day-by-day trade but we can't forget the other factors out there. the fiscal cliff, we will get our normal calendar of economic data and still get headlines out of europe. still lot of things will move the market. i traditionally think we see a run up toward the end of the year. cheryl: a lot of traders bring their families on the floor of the stoc
of this fiscal cliff that if my opinion, at least, is starting to hurt spending. >> it is hard to believe because why like toship but a lot of people go because it is a celebration thing, a lot of them are tag about it is like a party like lining up to see the ball drop on new year's so it is not just deal seeking. >>guest: it is becoming a huge event. you have to credit the retailers and the media for building it up because it is a big part of our economy and a quarter of the sales will be taking place here for the year take place in the next couple of weeks, but the fiscal cliff is out there. the fiscal cliff for the consumer is the worst thing that has happened since paris hilton released her debut music album, and there is not a lot of hope for congress to resolve anything. >> but consumer confidence is at a file year high so it must translate into opening of the wallets? >>guest: that is a fair point but if you look at the most recent consumer sentiment survey, you talk about future expectations, they are lower when than the last few months, and the lower expectations are because of the fisc
on the fiscal cliff next year and i see the housing market getting better around better and i think that's a positive. >> rick santelli, it wasn't just stocks rallying today. here in the u.s., europe had its best week of the year this week. the euro is at a three-week high. gold was very strong today. what's the market telling us right now? >> i think the market's telling us that there's a lot of bargain hunting and a lot of optimism towards europe. that made sense. i think that the issues of europe are far from cured. i don't think they can be cured. but i do think there's going to be large time gaps where investors hit the gas because the bureaucrats aren't necessarily hitting the brake. whether it's cyprus seems to be an issue. but it's strong. greece really isn't a huge issue but it really does represent kind of how the thinking goes for larger issues that europe has defaced. i found it fascinating, the dollar index closed down over a penny, even though had a strong gain on the week on the yen. it just goes to show you how that euro is so powerful this week and how in the last couple
, the fiscal cliff negotiations will heat up. now the speaker of the house has thrown a new problem into the talks, can a deal actually be reached? >>> shoppers looking for their own kind of grand bargain today. we're going to look at the black friday crush at shopping malls and super stores all over this country. but we start this hour with breaking news in egypt. you're looking at live pictures of tahrir square in cairo after the new egyptian president morsi gave himself sweeping new powers today. tahrir square also the heart of last year's uprising. demonstrators filled the streets of alexandria later today. morsi's new powers put his own decisions above all legal challenges until a new egyptian parliament is elected. despite the protests, morsi moving ahead with his plans at the same time insisting that his new powers are for the good ofu issued a statement moments ago saying in part, quote, we call for calm and encourage all parties to work together and call for all egyptians to resolve their differences over these important issues peacefully and through democratic dialogue. ji
the fiscal cliff is or what it means for their paycheck. >> they aren't worried. we'll see how numbers pan out. should be a big shopping weekend for the retailers. cyber-monday is around the corner. this is a big three days. it's funny. cyber-monday first came about when people didn't have high-speed internet. they would have to go to work and shop because it wasn't common. now it's common to have high-speed internet access at home and still you have cyber-monday. >> just as a point of note here, street signs are not allowed to say cyber-monday. i don't believe it. it's five bucks in the beer jar. you already owe 15 bucks. >> it's not "street signs." >> we play by a different set of rules here at post 9. >> we play by melissa's rules here at post 9. >> yours too, david. >> mine too. absolutely. we will be watching any number of retailers in terms of stocks. we'll see how some of the laggers do today. jcpenney. we'll be talking to the chief merchandise officer at sears later in the program. interesting to see given how poor the report was there. >> don't we have the former ceo of jcpenney o
, the fiscal cliff is going to be something that implies a little bit of slowing or austerity. markets do not want to see austerity. voters don't want to see austerity although it's the right thing to do in the wrong term. recognize this is the environment where -- >> all right, ron, based on the fact that the the fed's printing and you think the emerging markets are the way to go, talk about your picks. you like three sectors. technology, oil and gas, and, of course, food. the world will eat and eat better. what stocks do you like? >> well, let's see, oil and gas, exploration and transportation in the united states particularly is what we like. mlps are a place where we have a 9% allocation. a couple reasons, one, someone's got to transport all this oil from north dakota to the plants. that's growing at an incredible pace, high dividend payers, tax advantage dividend payers, going to be an incredibly important aspect for investors next year, and the world and the united states wants to be energy independent. the oil and gas, mlps, more of a commodities play. it's a good -- it's a good so
they are republicans. then theyou have republicans. i don't see how we can survive this fiscal cliff if john boehner does not follow the lead of the president. he said a couple days ago we have to put obamacare in a position to and take some cuts from it. that's crazy. john boehner and mitch mcconnell and all of them have given the president a hard time. that's why we voted for these people and they are supposed to do our bidding, because people are hurting. host: let's take it to the state level in a carolina, state legislature, republican governor, republican. what are the big ticket items they will start working on? caller: i don't think the governor knows himself. he claimed that he will bring relief to the state. i don't see how he's going to do it. they are going to cut a lot of social programs that they call wasteful spending. people are going to really see what he's made of. what is your name again? host: what is that? caller: pope was the one along with the koch brothers that got it mccory into office. they are bought and paid for. they don't do the people -- everybody needs to be represent
about whether the consumer has any of the same concerns about the fiscal cliff or anything else. >> it was a tick up that was going upward. and it came off a little bit the initial readings. so maybe a little bit of cliff is sinking into the consumer. but when we checked on on four key metrics, wages, unemployment, housing and what was the fourth one, debt levels, consumer is in better shape this year than last year. >> what is the chance that right now we haven't lost confidence among consumers and so people are out there this thanksgiving weekend buying, maybe next weekend they're buying, but as the fiscal cliff conversation really hits a ahead in mid-december, that somehow confidence starts to drift. >> seems like an upper income kind of concern given the volatility of the stock market. mass market, as long as they're living pay dlek to paycheck, they're buying for their kids. christmas doesn't stop because of what's happening in washington. >> i think consumer sentiment can be fragile. it's curious that it hasn't sunk in more now and maybe that's because it has not been a na
? >> yeah. they'll mess around for as long as they possibly can and possibly pass a fiscal cliff relief bill or something lining those lines at the final hour. >> do you think it goes on, that it's a long term solution? my personal solution is they find a band-aid that may give us the qe-3 type relief. >> but the question is what your long-term outlook is. if you're betting against u.s. growth, betting against -- or betting there will be a huge issues in the coming years on these -- on the deficit issue, you may want to keep it off the table. >>> there's a third area there. i don't talk to anybody, steve or our guest, who doesn't think the u.s. can easily ramp up growth. the real discussion i don't think is the true u.s. economy. i thinkist the moguling being throw in front of it, our self-inflected issues, you know, last time around we sequestration. are we going to have sequestration 2? of course we'll put a band-aid, but we need leverage to have reform predicated to surrender on the band-aid. >>> we've got to go, guys. i've got to go with this. we've got to move on. this is the last hour
-called fiscal cliff, and they're not holding back. elizabeth macdonald is with the fox business network. okay, liz, so who are these corporations, and what exactly are they saying? >> good to be with you, arthel. it's walmart, cvs and wall greens. walmart or is basically saying, look, customers don't need the uncertainty over tax increases, and let's get to cvs caremark because these two drug store chains are basically making rare public policy statements that we've never seen before from these companies. they're urging washington to avoid the fiscal cliff. cvs caremark is essentially saying, look, our customers are hard working american families, they make decisions on the budget. they've been faced with, basically, persistent high unemployment, fragile economic growth, and they want to know that d.c. is working on their behalf. so and that was also the same sentiment that you heard out of walgreens. walgreens also saying, basically, the health of the u.s. economy, the recovery and american families depends on a consensus agreement in washington, d.c. to avoid the fiscal cliff, and walgreens
. >>> plus, fiscal cliff diving. the countdown to the new year is counting down to economic disaster. what will it take to reach a compromise and pull the country back from the edge before january 1st. >>> the holiday season kicking into gear. we'll take you all around the country. meantime, relative calm between israel and gaza following the cease fire did not last very long. today a clash at the poirder left one palestinian dead and 15 wounded. as usual, we are hearing two different versions of this cease fire version. we have two reporters there. aman, i'll begin with you. what are they saying about the glash at the gaza border today? >> they're saying that the palestinians, 300 of them approached the israel/gaza border on the palestinian side of it. they went there to access their farm land. that area is considered mostly essentially farm land for those families. a lot of people earn their livelihoods from there. they were going there to protest and demand that they have the right to go as far up to the border as possible. the reason why is because over the years israel has imposed a n
this so-called "fiscal cliff" and possibly make money with your fund? > > the goal of the fund is to allow people to get most of the return of the s&p while taking half the risk, and right now we have a quarter of the correlation with the market. so, this is an ideal time to invest in the fund. when congress comes back into its lame-duck session, we will be flat when they are in session. but there's a lot of risk in this lame-duck session. the fiscal cliff is not resolved, i don't think it's going to be resolved during the lame-duck session. asia seems to have economic slowing problems, and maybe a little saber rattling - the same for the mideast. it's really kind of a dangerous time in the market, and this is a fund that is unusually low- volatility, low beta fund, so it's a place where you can get some relative safety. > > eric singer. thanks for joining us today. > > thank you. we are out of time for today. check back in with us every weekday morning, and you can also find us on facebook and twitter. from all of us at first business, thank you for watching. >>> the black friday frenzy u
the holiday break with a major economic problem on their hands. finding a solution to the fiscal cliff requires political leadership. where do we stand with december just around the corner? let's bring in kristen welker and neil irwin, economics editor from the washington post's wonk blog. i love that name. i have to hand it to you. kristen, are you getting a sense of optimism from white house staffers about the future of these negotiations? i mean, how connected do they say the president was to the problem with all the international issues over this past week alone? >> reporter: well, i think that they would like to be optimistic about this problem. certainly president obama has been meeting with congressional leaders. he had them here at the white house last week. they came out and struck this tone of bipartisanship, but they're also cautious in that optimism. you remember the knockdown dragout debt ceiling fight of the summer of 2011. i don't think they think it's going to get that ugly. at the same time this is not going to be easy going as we head to the first of the year. now rep
. dog dog fiscal cliff negotiations got more complicated. president obama's union supporters are stepping in. our very own rich edson joining us live from washington, d.c.. rich, what do you know? >> well, good morning. the key to the fiscal cliff negotiations, republicans say will talk increased tax revenue if democrats put entitlement reform on the table. medicare, medicaid, social security. there's a major effort by labor unions opposing that effort taking out advertising in states in missouri, pennsylvania, virginia, and elsewhere targeting members of congress to oppose any type of entitlement reform or changes. the group, in a statement says, elected officials from both parties need to listen to the will of the voters and focus on rebuilding the middle class and strengthening our economy by investing in jobs, not cuts. on the other side, conservatives say it's not a game changer because from unions, this is really nothing new. >> the fact they are publicly saying what they have been privately saying is helpful the american people understand where obama's intransigence co
-called fiscal cliff. state hoyce are joining law makers pushing for 18.4 percent tax hike. the tax last raised in 1993. hundreds of our nation's heros getting a warm welcome home in new jersey. vol tierce greeted the soldiers and served them a traditional turkey dinner with all of the trimmings. >> motorcycle is coming and all . people that greeted us was a wonderful experience. nbest thing i had seen in years. >> and this speed and truth event is held every year. >> that is your five on five. nthis morning, israel arrested the person behind wednesday's bomb blast on a bus in tel-aviv while the cease fire between israel and hamas is holding up. peter doocy has more in washington. >> good morning, patty. twen people - 27 people were injured when the bus exploded and an an arab-israeli is in custody for planting the bomb. pam pal militants with ties to hamas and other islamic jihadist in tel-aviv to plant the bomb and call would the handlers it was in place and they dialed a mobile phone that triggered the blast. the man admitted to carrying out the terrorist attack and now we'll wait and see if
all, he's trying to reach a bipartisan deal to avoid the fiscal cliff? >> right. look, i would be surprised if the president put her forward given everything that we've seen. there were one or two scenarios, right? either she was, this was a tryout for her and she failed, or it was the case that they sent her out on purpose as the president suggested when he said they sent out susan rice who, quote, had nothing to do with benghazi. gregg: right. >> they sent her out on purpose to basically do little other than to mouth administration talking points. in either case, she comes out of those five appearances looking like she doesn't know what she was talking about in the best case scenario, or she was being dishonest in the worst case scenario. gregg: but, steve, look, here's the deal, do republicans really want this fight over secretary of state? time magazine made the following point, we'll put it up on the screen: gregg: the optics favor the white house. >> look, who cares about the optics? if she went out and told a story which wasn't true, which everybody now can see, you have
fund people and it's horrible. >> and on your list of things not to bring up, fiscal cliff? >> it was? on the woman's day list. >> and a cool guy. >> fiscal cliff, is going to be-- >> and greg, you want to get out of here. >> i do want to get out of here. what year was the first thanksgiving celebration. 1953? i know you thought it was earlier. bob gives us all a history lesson next. ♪ homeward bound ♪ home, where my thoughts escaping, home where my music is playing ♪ ♪ where my love lies waiting silently for me ♪ ♪ starts at 6 eastern. for now we'll take you back to "the five." ♪ ♪ don't know much about history ♪ ♪ don't know much biology >> are you ready? >> oh, anyway, don't know much about history? apparently not. you're not alone. dave mccollough, one of the greatest historians thinks we're on the path to illiteracy. >> we're raising children that are by and large historically illiterate. a young woman came up to me and said that until she'd heard me speak she never understood that the original 13 colonies were on the east coast and i thought, what are we doi
the election about the fiscal cliff. what is at stake here for both sides? what happens if they don't get a deal? >> well, look. i think what happens to both sides, it's not even what happens to both sides, what happens to us which is the collective, right? it's what happens to the country which is 4% of gdp disappears overnight. and that's what this is all about. by the way, it's not just about what happens january 1st or 11:59 the day before january 1st. it's already starting to impact the economy. whether it impacts consumers -- and we'll find out today, by the way, in terms of thanksgiving and what's that meant, whether consumers are coming out or not -- but thoorz the bigger issue that manufacturing has already started to slow down. people are starting to worry. it may end up in the economic numbers already, just the fact that we're having this debate. and then come january 1st, do we go over? what does that mean? is it the fiscal cliff? or does it look like the fiscal bungee cord? that's what some people are calling it. we go over for two weeks and then we snap back and get a deal a
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yet. we all need to focus very closely on the fiscal cliff and sequestration cuts that it includes. the impacts on san francisco could be devastating. until we have more clarity, what congress as a whole might or might not do we will need to remain vigilant about protecting our reserves and the city's financial position. that said i'm encouraged by the reelection of president obama and certainly for the leadership that leader pelosi has given and will continue to give. we will need their leadership as the president must quickly face the challenge of his second term, avoiding this fiscal cliff. in august of 2011 congress passed the budget control act which threatened automatic spending cuts if congress failed to come up with a planned deficit reduction by 2013. these cuts are what we refer to as sequestration. this would mean an across the board cut of between 7% and 10% of all defense and non-defense federal spending irrespective of policy or its impact on everyday people. these cuts would be absolutely devastating to our national and local economies. our -- show that sequestration
such a thing as a fiscal cliff like you have in the u.s. the old budget simply takes over up a new budget has been agreed on. so there is no financing disaster in the middle of it. the curious crux to this is if this old budget takes over because of the in-build qui sooif inflation factor in there, it's actually than the new budget they're debating right now, so all the countries pushing for the cut and even putting the threat on the veto on the table, they will actually chief the opposite. we'll keep on spending more even then with a sort of slide budget increase that the eu commission put on the table. and as to where the negotiations stand, i think at the moment the budget talks, pardon to be cynical, but political posturing on the various side than the actual effects in there. because if you look at the mound that the various countries put up into the budget, i think like 9 billion and that is already one of the biggest, we just save banks and sovereigns for hundreds of billions of bailout funds. so in terms of the actual money, this is absolute small cheese. >> absolutely is. silvia, for
off this fiscal cliff. what do both sides need to do to come to a compromise? didi, i'll start with you. >> well, actually, heather, here we are again. it feels like groundhog day because we have the government shutdown, fiscal cliff. i mean, washington, d.c. is such a mess, and it's really too bad that we didn't have more change from the election. so what i'm hoping is that president obama will be more of a president and less of a candidate, because he's the mac daddy candidate, there's no doubt about it. this is the guy who can campaign. but he's not governed. he's not led as president. so i'm very hopeful that the new year would bring that. and i'd also like to see new leadership in the republican party. i think john boehner needs to go. i think it needs to be a kevin mccarthy as well as in the senate. you know, we need new leadership. marco rubio would be a great senate minority leader, and it's bold, but we need the change in washington d.c. heather: but in the meantime, we have what we have right now, we are just a matter of weeks away, so what do you think they need to d
to strike a deal on the fiscal cliff and it's going to mean the left is not happy, and you guys have called him a socialist and all of this stuff, i'm telling you much more of a centrist than you think? >> obama? i think he's-- >> no, you're just so wrong about that. >> he's as far left, and he-- >> you talk about it. >> and he's worse than carter, i think he's fuelly fairly pragmatic and probably will be more so at least while this fiscal crisis is. >> the biggest adjustment the democrats will make is running against george bush, the exit polls they were blaming gb, and i can't believe he might troo try to do it again and mentioned it in the press conference. and sooner or later, they'll have to say judge us on the last eight years with obama. they don't care. >> they care. >> and he feels like he has a man tate and can do what he wants and it's all about revenge, and warm and fuzzy campaign? >> he won, you lost and-- >> i don't know, i still feel like a winner because i know what we do to fix this economy and his ideas don't work. >> and negotiate a pragmatic deal on the fiscal cliff put
debate, the fiscal cliff,, capital gains taxes. there's no compelling reason toe buy here over the next two to three months. let some of this pass, use your assets in other places, raise cash, and then you're in a better position to earn money once 2013 starts. melissa: the thing your ideas have in common is an idea of hunkering down, and sort of of having this investment over a long period of time. why wouldn't you hunker down within the target? give president obama credit thah whether it's because of the fed and easy money or whatever it's been, the stock market has donee well. would you buy some favorite stocks and plan on holding theme through the entire next four years? >> you know, i've always been an advocate of buying stocks that pay high dividends, but taxes going from 15% up to 40%. that takes a huge wind out of te the sails for that argument so, you know, the timing is everything. timing was good to buy stocks at the beginning of obama, and now, not so mh. housing is a great place to be because it's cheap. melissa: i have to say i felt better after hearing spencer's ideas. do
just can't. >> that also has consequences.ee as everyone knows with the looming so-called fiscal cliff discussion, if you cut too muchu you also drive the economy into an abyss so, you know, we'd all like to say we cut spending and live within our means, but it's not as simple as that.ple you can also cut spending too much so that you actually hurtrt the economy you're supposed to help. melissa: so, i agree with whath you are saying, and this is too civil. i got to derail it somehow or else it's no fun; right?in what's the point in doing it. >> bring it on, melissa, bring it on. do melissa: there's many times in the past where we've loweredn mortgagal rates and increased revenue.es if i were to conceive it's a revenue problem, it -- which i'm not going to, but for the sake of argument, under for kennedy, reduced the top rate from 90% to 70%, in and in that time, revenue into the treasury went up from $94 billion to $15n billion by lowering the marginal rate. right there, there's your guy. look at him. >> you know, we can look at that, but, remember, that was i the 1960s #. the problems
of the house john boehner saying obamacare needs to be on the table in the fiscal cliff talks because, quote, we can't afford it. joining the company from washington is tea party founder justin phillips. come on. house republicans are over a barrel. they lost. what leverage do they have in these negotiations? >> you don't have much leverage when your full scrimmage john boehner's freshly laundered white flag of surrender. john boehner has ceded the field to the democrats. he is not even discussing the issue of spending. it is will lead the issue of revenue. there is going to be more new taxes, absolutely right because when we go to the negotiations, john boehner as usual is starting from a position of weakness. if you're going to start from a position of weakness where you have already given up on the spending side of the equation there's only one alternative, taxes get raised. dave: you mentioned spending. i remember 2009 was the stimulus, $800 billion, you can argue forever about whether it worked out all or not but it wasn't a 1-shot deal. we went up $800 billion and then it stayed. it di
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as those fiscal cliff negotiations get under way. supporters are pushing lawmakers to protect social social security, medicare, and medicaid. the lobbiest with the defense industry they are also trying to fight spending cut backs. and the companies that make medical devices they are are trying to block new taxes from taking effect on their products because of the new health care reform law. a package of tax hikes and spending cuts known as the fiscal cliff will take effect in january unless congress can do something to balance the budget. >>> happening right now workers at walmart stores starting to walk off the job during the big holiday shopping rush. i want to take you to texas just got this in. workers walked off the job right as shoppers were getting ready to go into the store. other protests are planned in walmarts throughout the bay area. employees say they want walmart to pay better wages. while some say they will still shop at al port others say -- walmart others say they will support those workers. >> if they walk out, i'm not going to shop until they settle with them. you can bet
. with the fiscal cliff, do you think there's a way to reach an agreement on the fiscal cliff? are you willing to do comprehensive entitlement reforms in exchange for an increase tax rate? >> i think that's an excellent question. let's make one thing clear. the entitlements have little to do with the day-to-day operation of the budget. they have their own separate budgets. they're paid for in a separate manner, through payroll taxes. so anybody that wants to do that is really holding the issue hostage. the other side is good at doing that. republicans have been very good at holding us hostage. we said to them at least pass the middle chas tax cuts and let's continue those and then we'll debate the other stuff. there is no compromising these ideologues. i want compromise. people want them to come together. if you hold the other issue or the other side hostage, it's not going to get done. i'm a little less optimistic than i was last week when i hear from staff and the discussions that are going on behind the scenes. i'm less optimistic about it. but i'm in there fighting for resolution. if we kick the
recession. >> absolutely. so the fiscal cliff is a contraction in the government imposed into the economy of 45% of gdp. on the first order that will hit and reduce economic growth from 2 percent down some-1,-2 very easily. lou: in your judgment would be helpful, profoundly helpful for congress and this president to agree that there will leave everything, create a status quo for negotiations on a reform of the tax code that would take place over the course of six to nine months next year and hold in abeyance any changes just simply stopping, for the first time in some time ever, congress and our president actually think through public policy. >> absolutely. tax-cut reform on the one hand, and salomon reform on the other. if congress and the president move in that direction it would be a very, very positive signal that the political process is actually functioning. lou: a real quickly, we're out of time. some symbols, reasonable template. >> i think it is. lou: thank you for being here. president obama's reelection reigniting the debate about illegal immigration. what a republican ship on
. >> he's a great cook. >> so we're heading towards this fiscal cliff. we keep on hearing about it. there are three scenarios that you're concerned about. >> right. we should point out. automatic tax increases, massive budget cuts. but they don't reach a budget. >> you have three different scaries where if they come to an agreement, we could still come to the cliff. number one, a republican surrender of the bush tax cuts. >> i think that's probably what's going to happen to create a deal. everything i hear coming out of there is that they're willing to give on revenues. you look at polls and a lot of this political. economically, they shouldn't do anything. they should not raise that upper number. why? because it hits small businesses. but the president and democrats are good at demagoguing this. polls say 97% of small businesses aren't affected. that's bologna. if you take in consultants, individuals who consider themselves filers of small business. if you look at small businesses that create jobs, these tax increases hit them dramatically. but the polls are against them. i think
tells a georgia tv station he's considering breaking the promise in order to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. >>> and they are not the only ones trying to avoid the cliff. many major league baseball free agents are trying to get their money up front in 2012 to avoid tax increases. >>> well, the idea of selling designer merchandise on president obama's campaign website was mocked by some but the campaign is having the last laugh. bloomberg businessweek reports the idea by vogue editor anna wi wintor brought in more than $40 million. >>> meantime, the obama campaign is still fuming over some of the polls that got it wrong leading up to election day. the editor in chief for gallop whiched so mitt romney with a bigger lead admits gallup might have overestimated the get-out-the-oat efforts. >>> it's time for a geography quiz. put on your thinking caps. what is the name of this country? all right. if you said mexico, then you were wrong. our neighbors to the south actually go by the official title estados unidos mexicanos which is translated the united mexican states. but felipe calderon is
not reform taxes and avoid the "fiscal cliff" that's scheduled at the end of the year, your tax bill could rise by the thousands. in years past, congress exempted most middle class and low-income families from something called the alternative minimum tax. if they don't renew that exemption, a family with two children making $90,000 a year could owe an extra $3,000 in taxes. >> we are going to see a lot of everyday people get caught. >> reporter: also on the chopping block a tuition credit for parents who have kids in college. in certain brackets if you have two students paying tuition you could lose a $5,000 credit. that's five grand out of your spending money. >> plan for difficult times because the taxes will go up and so what do you do? if you are spending every dollar that you're making right now and your taxes go up, do you go in debt or do you adjust what you're spending? >> reporter: grace lee, cbs 5. >> comings has until the end of the year to solve the probable -- congress has until the end of the year to solve the problems but uncertainty is affecting almost everybody. >> wall st
-tax pledge but he says he's ready to talk tax hikes to avoid a fiscal cliff. he said earlier this week, quote, i care more about my country than i do a 20-year-old pledge. if we do it his way, we'll continue in debt and i just have a disagreement with him about that. he's talking about grover. >>> in suburban washington you're taking a look at community leaders, union leaders and perhaps some walmart workers. they're heading toward a walmart store. we believe they made it to a parking lot. as you know, they're protesting salary and health benefits for the workers at walmart. renee marsh is among the protesters, joining us now live. fill us in, renee. >> reporter: good morning, carol. i can tell you that they have finally made their way to the outside of this walmart here. just take a look. you can see how many people are out here. i would estimate it is in the hundreds. and they're all chanting. some of them wearing signs, some of them holding signs that say that the wages just aren't where they should be. now within this mix of people, we know that there are union members. we know that there
. >>> lobbyists are reaching out to lawmakers to protect their interests in the fiscal cliff negotiations. advocates, ask for the defense are fighting spending cuts and companies that make medical devices are trying to stop new taxes from going into effect on their products due to the new health care law. a package of tax increases and spending cuts known as the fiscal cliff will take effect in january unless congress can balance the budget. >>> time now, 7:49. police near seattle say a drunk driver ran over two holiday p shoppers last night at the a wal-mart. one o -- one of those victims was pinned beneath the suv. her injuries so severe she was air lifted to a trauma center. the driver a 71-year-old person was arrested on charges of vehicular assault. police say they did smell alcohol on his breath. >>> the black friday rush also got off to an ugly start in indianapolis. there was an angry rant and security was called in after an angry rant inside a kmart store last night. they were handed out $200 vouchers for plasma tvs and some of the shoppers began selling their vouchers to other p
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of concern about the fiscal cliff and the possibility of tax increases and cuts to government spending. host: when you look at consumer confidence and sentiment, what factors are in play? guest: a lot of times it has to do with how they feel about their own personal fan -- finances and how they feel about the job market and the prospects of finding employment or losing employment. there is a lot of concern still about the high unemployment levels but the idea that the housing market is improving and the idea that there are a lot more employers that are willing to slowly higher at this point seems to be reassuring consumers that there is some hope for the economy host: does consumer confidence have an influence on holiday spending? guest: it does to some extent. when consumers feel most constrained by their own finances, they are not willing to spend as much. a number of reports coming out in the last couple of weeks showed that despite concerns about the fiscal cliff, people are willing to spend about the same amount of money they wanted to spend last year host: this is from "the washington
be the charitable season in a scramble to avoid the fiscal cliff both the president's plan to raise taxes on the wealthy and the raise. could hurt charities. >> high income people tend to give very generous gifts. they may give a million-dollar contribution to a capital campaign of a local hospital or local art museum. >> in fact, united way gets 15% of total donations, $500 million a year from those who give $10,000 or more charities worry any kind of cuts would. instead of charities as donations. >> if they aren't taxed on that income, then they are able to give all of that income to charities and nonprofits back to their communities. >> after all, people have to pay their mortgages and other deductible expenses but they don't have to give to charities. >> they do receive the tax incentive but the tax incentive is not why most people do it. it impacts how much people are able to give. >> republicans argue against increases in tax rates for fear it will discourage job creation by hitting small business owners who file as individuals. they prepare a limit on deductions perhaps a cap total
are all looking slightly better than they did a few months ago. but all this talk about the fiscal cliff, the automatic tax riders and spending cuts are unnerving people a little bit. and also we don't know how much people have been biging into their savings earlier in the year. so in spite of positive economic news, people are still going to be cautious and that's going to mean a little bit of growth but not a huge amount. >> sreenivasan: barney jopson of the financial times, thanks for your time. >> thank you. >> sreenivasan: thanksgiving is a time to remember native american life and culture. and that was the life's work of edward curtis, a turn of the century photographer. his story is told in a new biography, "short nights of the shadow catcher" by journalist and author timothy egan, a previous winner of both the pulitzer prize and national book award. jeffrey brown has our book conversation. >> brown: in 1896 edward curtis took this photograph of a woman known as "princess angeline," the last surviving child of the native-american chief for whom the city of seattle was named. it wa
30 we have to worry about. if congress doesn't reform taxes and avoid the "fiscal cliff" at the end of the year your tax bill could rise by the thousands. in years past, congress exempted most middle class and low-income families from something called the alternative minimum tax. if they don't renew that exemption, a family with two children making $90,000 a year could owe an extra $3,000 in taxes. >> we are going to see lots and lots of everyday people get caught. >> reporter: also on the chopping block a tuition credit for parents who have kids in college. in certain brackets if you have two students paying tuition, you could lose a $5,000 credit. that's $5,000 out of your spending money. >> plan for difficult times. taxes are going up. so what do you do? if you're spending every dollar you're making now and your taxes go up, do you go in debt? or do you adjust your spending? >> reporter: those are just a few examples of what is at stake here. while congress has until the end of the year to solve some of these problems, the uncertainty is really affecting almost everyone. not know
the looming "fiscal cliff" and a positive start this morning. let's look at the numbers. right now the dow is gaining 58 points. nasdaq is up by 16. s&p moving higher by 6 points. and walmart shares are moving just slightly higher. michelle and brian, back to you. >> thank you, jason brooks with kcbs and cbsmoneywatch.com. >>> following in the footsteps of online retailers the cash- strapped u.s. postal service will be testing out same-day delivery this holiday season. same day. it will happen here in the bay area. the u.s. ps will partner with retailers and begin offering the service in san francisco this december. if things run smoothly it will en spanned to new york, chicago -- it will expand to other cities like new york, chicago and boston next year. >>> it's 6:49. let's check the weather. >> if they run smoothly. >> yeah. >> but they have to do something. the postal service is losing lots of money around the nation. wow. all right. shall we talk some weather? >> why not. [ laughter ] >>> around the bay area today, we are look at some sunshine coming our way. couple of patches of grou
and prepare for success. i do think i can offer those insights. >> woodruff: when you talk about the fiscal cliff are the deadline is supposed to be january 1, but you've been out there talking about what can be done about that. among other things, you're saying taxes should go-- in other words, the bush tax cuts should be allowed to expire on everyone under $500,000. which is more than what the president is saying. he's saying it ought to be at 250. yet difference? and have you tukd him about that? >> sure, yeah, yeah, it was over 500, not under 500. yeah, i-- that position, judy, is one that i put on the table a year ago. and i'll tell you why. there isn't anything sort of theological about the $500,000 number. it's just a compromise. the democrats' position has been tax cuts to expire over 250. the republicans' position has been make all the tax cuts permanent. so a year ago i put a of a compromise on the table. if that compromise were accepted, it would raise $500 billion in revenue over the next 10 years, which would take the potential trillion-dollar sequester and cut it in half. and
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